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Today’s guest is Drew Camp.

We go deep today talking about:

  • Drew’s company, The Epic Dad Co, and the importance of the vision behind it for the men he serves, but also for him as an entrepreneur
  • How to build the physical and mental strength and resilience required to be an epic dad
  • The lessons Drew imparted by smoking his kids in a foot race
  • Simple habits to immediately up your game and become a stronger leader
  • The importance of manufacturing group hardship to build brotherhood
  • Why society is so weak and what we can do about it

Drew Camp is a Dad of 3, combat veteran, and the founder of The Epic Dad Co. (TEDCO). TEDCO is a supplement company that has a mission of changing the culture by creating more epic Dads. Founded in 2021, TEDCO creates 100% natural supplements that help Dads become better athletes, leaders, and providers. TEDCO believes that the best way to change the culture is to change yourself first.

Drew also runs the Epic Dad Legacy podcast.

Find Drew online at:
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theepicdadco/
Website: www.theepicdad.com
Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/epic-dad-legacy/id1597097259

Resources Mentioned:
Epic Dad Legacy
The Foot Race Video

Unknown Speaker 0:00

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Curt Storring 0:59

welcome back, man. This is Curt Storring, your host, founder of down work, and today I am joined by Drew camp, who is a dad of three. He's a combat veteran, and he's the founder of the epic jadco Otherwise known as TEDCO. TEDCO is a supplement company that has a mission of changing the culture by creating more epic dads. And guys, we're gonna get into that. Because I know so many companies, and I've been guilty of this in the past, they start out particularly if you're selling a physical product or something on Amazon, I don't know if you guys have business like that or heard of business like that. But they sell whatever product and they come up with a story after the fact like oh, yeah, we are. Yeah, we just liked the environment. And that's why we're doing this. And it's like, okay, people can see through that all day. But Drew's company has a legit vision. And we talked about that in this podcast. So founded in 2021, Ted co creates 100% natural supplements that help dads become better athletes, leaders and providers. TEDCO believes that the best way to change the culture is to change yourself. First guys, as you can hear, Drew is speaking my language. He also runs the epic dad legacy podcast, which you can check out anywhere you listen to podcasts highly recommended. You find him on Instagram, the epic dad CO or the epic dad.com, which is where you can find the website and buy supplements. I think you'll get them on Amazon as well. So, guys, Drew and I talked about a whole bunch of stuff. In this episode. I really liked this. I like Drew and he's doing incredible work and we just get along. So we talked about Drew's company, the epic gatco and the importance of the vision behind it for the men he serves. But also for him as an entrepreneur, how to build the physical and mental strength and resilience required to be an epic dad, the lessons drew imparted by smoking his kids in a foot race, which you might have seen on Instagram, I think it's like 5 million people have seen that now. Simple habits to immediately up your game and become a stronger leader, the importance of manufacturing group hardship, to build brotherhood, and why society is so weak and what we as men can do about it. This is awesome, guys, I think you'll get a lot out of this. This was a fun conversation I really like Drew, definitely make sure to follow him. listen to podcasts, leave me a review if you want to. And guys, if this show, the downward podcast has been giving you any value. I mean, even like one little thing that has made your life slightly better as a man husband father made you harder to kill, easier to love and equipped to lead. I'm gonna ask you a favor. Would you please, if listening on Spotify, just go to the download podcast, tap that star button and leave us a rating. And if you're on Apple podcasts, would you just scroll down below all the episodes you're gonna see this rating and review section. If you leave a star rating, you can also leave a review underneath and just give us a quick review telling other dads why you enjoy the show. Honestly, guys, it is one of the best ways to get us in the ears of more men because I honestly think as I said before, we change the world one data at a time, which is something we get into in this conversation. But it could just be your review that shows this higher on the charts shows us higher in the algorithm, whatever it is, one man reads a review and goes yeah, I think I'm gonna give this a shot. He listens. He doesn't say anything changes his life. His kids lives are changed forever because of your review. So if you have a few seconds literally that's all it takes. I'm asking you to leave a quick review and rating Spotify Apple wherever you're at would really really appreciate that. Thank you so much for being here guys. We are growing the podcast massively. We're gonna hit 100,000 downloads very soon. And our mission for 2023 is to get a million downloads to the show. That is where I'm going I'm going to have more epic guests more epic conversations gonna make you into a elite man husband and father and without further ado, let's jump to this conversation with Drew camp of the epic dad co Here we go. Yeah, sweet. Okay, guys, we're back with another episode of the downward podcast here with Drew camp today of the epic dad Co. Is that right? Not right. Was it just co

Drew Camp 4:29

Well, it's or actually you can do whatever you want to do today company debit ICAO TEDCO, whatever you want to call

Curt Storring 4:35

us. I used to have a brand called Liberty premium grooming company. It was a beard brand. With a beard brush. We had beard balm, beard growth supplements, which is weird. But it was always like I put coal on the logo. So I always get the back and forth and I noticed man, I just want to make extra sure I'm not offending you like Oh no, it's cool because my dad is not at all. So you want to amazing, like TEDCO actually All right, so anyway, we're not here to talk about your company name, although it is sick. I actually want to know, I'm just gonna get into it guys heard your bio already, we're just gonna get right into it. I'm curious like the deal with the mission. Because dude, I like I was just telling you I was in the space where, you know, you start a physical product brand, you start a supplement companies start whatever it is. And then you make up the vision after you're like, oh, right, we're doing this because the great outdoors and you're like, that's not it, like doesn't make any sense. But you guys, like want to help dads be better dads, and I'm obviously all about that. But you want to go into like, why that is such a big deal on like, what this mission means to you just give a little backstory

Drew Camp 5:38

here. Absolutely, man. So first off, thanks. Thanks for having me on. You're doing amazing stuff. And you know, I've been a fan and listen to a lot of your podcasts. So super appreciative to come on and chat, man. But yeah, so I'll kind of just frame the context around, like we talked about a business, a lot of businesses will just kind of get going and then be like, Alright, now what are we supposed to be once we've already kind of been in business. So we were very intentional about being crystal clear on who we wanted to serve, and why we wanted to serve them. And then the product that we have is almost an afterthought, right? It's like, that's just really, you know, part of the journey. And it's like to help equip you to reach the end like transformation, you want to go on to the product, right, but it's not like about the product. And so define the context, like I had a business prior to this. And it's funny, you mentioned the outdoor space, that's what we were in. And we you know, kind of just had like a couple of product opportunities that we chased. It found some success with it. And then COVID happened and totally mess up supply chain. And so we couldn't get any any of our products from China for four months. And then when we did, you know, our primary sales channel was, you know, just direct to consumer. And then also on Amazon, and Amazon, if you guys remember, we're doing funky things of like, you can only send in hand sanitizer. And so I'll just sit in on like mountains of product I couldn't sell. And, and I couldn't sell it because we didn't know who our audience was, right? We didn't know who we're selling it to. And ultimately, we were an outdoor brand. But I had no idea like who our customers were, and like what we were trying to do with it right. And so I ended up shutting down that business. And we took the profits and invested in this business. And I started the business in 20, I guess, February or so of gosh, probably even before that, probably like late 2020 is when I like actually, you know, Incorporated. And the first year was really just getting clear on like, who are we trying to serve? Right. And for me, it was very crystal clear. It was like I want to serve dads, and like, what are the problems that dads are having? How can we help solve them. And ultimately, the products that we come out with again, is not going to not going to be like the main focus of the business, that the main focus is to try to like help help dads solve their biggest problems, through content through education. And the product is just something that's going to help them along that journey to like make the transformation to the best that they can be. So I hope that makes sense. It was kind of long winded.

Curt Storring 8:00

Well, what are some of those things then? Like, what do you see the problems facing a lot of dads these days are

Drew Camp 8:04

Dude, we, we could probably talk for, like 15 hours. So I'll do the I'll do the content, the condensed version. But I think and this is my personal opinion, if you disagree with this, that's fine. But this is my opinion, but I think a lot of guys will resonate with this is, as we have seen over the last, you know, 30 to 40 years and definitely accelerated, you know, since COVID. Just an attack on on fatherhood attack on masculinity and men. And whether you buy into quote unquote conspiracy theories about big government or whatever, there's obviously a concerted effort to try to downplay masculinity. And my personal belief there, the reason why is, you know, if you have weak men, then they're much easier to control, right? And that kind of goes back again to you know, who's trying to control you, and we can, we can go down that rabbit hole if you want to. But But I think everyone would would agree that like, if you just look at media, you know, you look at the culture, there's been a concerted effort, right. And my belief is it makes it a lot easier to control. And so when we think about the problems and challenges that dads are having, is I think that every dad wants to like be the best they can be, right? They want to be like the best parent they can be. But they have no idea how because the media and everyone and everything they see is, you know, downplaying the importance of being a masculine father, being a masculine man, you know, raising your kids in a certain way. And so that's the problem that men are having and fathers especially you're having, and that's what we're really trying to do as a business is how do we change that culture? So like, it's funny that you mentioned this because I've gotten very crystal clear on this over the past probably two weeks. So our company is part of the mastermind, like like an ecommerce mastermind, and one of the exercises was to build a pitch deck, right, like even if you're not ready for like capital investment, just to go through the exercise and it just helped us get super clear on it. And so, out of that exercise, we kind of have this statement that says that, yes, we're a couple, a supplement company. But our job is not just to sell more supplements, our job is to change the culture, our job is to really create, like micro transformations in individual dads that over time is going to help change the culture. So like our whole vision as a company, is to help create masculine fathers that is going to change the culture. But to do that, that's like a big task, right? Like, you're not going to do that yourself, like the way that you can best do that. And best support that mission is to make sure that you as an individual are being the best ad you can be, right, because that's going to resonate down to your children, they're going to grow up and have children their own. And it's also going to resonate to other men in the community that see that leadership that you have. And that's just going to like, you know, have the ripple effect throughout the culture.

Curt Storring 10:49

Man, I'm so excited. You guys got clear on that? Because that, like, I have done this enough in my own companies, and I've been around enough entrepreneurs to be like, that one feels right. Like that is that's definitely locked in enough. And it gives you lots of room to play, and what are like, actually not what how are you seeing guys make these transformation because I know you're like, it's it's a supplement company, you got a pre workout. And I know that you like, you know, work it out. I saw you're like I was at a hotel or something like that you're doing some crazy workout. I was like, oh man makes me want to puke. Just thinking about what you wrote down there. So I happen to agree that fitness is like the bedrock for all of this. Is that what you're seeing? And maybe what other things you're seeing on the House side of guys are like living their best dad life?

Drew Camp 11:33

Yeah, for sure. So, again, as part of this exercise, we've tried to get very clear on like, you know, who we're serving, how we can serve them. And so, hey, we want to help you be the best that you can be like, That's a good tagline, right? But like, operationally, how are you doing that. And so what we've done is we've broken out three, three pillars of like how we think we can help you be the best that you can be. And so we think we can help you be a better athlete, we think we can help you be a better leader. And we think we can help you be a better provider. And so when you when you think about that broadly, right? As an athlete, like, I believe, you know, probably the first thing that you can attack, right? If you want to be a better dad is fitness, it's the easiest one, right? If you're not taking care of your body and keeping your body in shape, like that's just going to, again, have a ripple effect to like the rest of your life. You know, so and that's the easiest one to attack, right? It's like, Hey, start going to the gym, it's pretty easy. Get up, go to the gym. And then also, what that does is is, you know, the physical fitness part, it has like a direct correlation to every other pillar that we want to accomplish too. Because with physical fitness, you're starting to build discipline, right? You're starting to build confidence, you're starting to see what the process looks like to actually get results that you have to build consistency, you have to show up when you don't want to show up, and things like that, right. So that's what we want to tackle first is like, let's get the fitness piece dialed in. And then that's going to resonate across all the other pillars of being a better provider, or being a better leader for your family.

Curt Storring 13:00

Yeah, that's so good man. And that is, I used to look at stuff like this and go, Oh, that's too simple. And I would go like just my own stories. I started out in like the super men's group, New Age ish, like, emotional side, and that I needed that. Like I was just a wreck. And I was like, oh, yeah, it's not as simple as just like doing hard things and do now that I've like, come full circle and seen this in my life and enough clients lives. Like, actually, if you just do hard things and like get fit 90% of it'll take care of itself. And just like, you know, add the skills and get around other good men brotherhood, then your Senate. But it's actually shockingly important to get this ground level base fitness up. Because of all the things you've said, builds consistency builds discipline, and then you're like, oh, I can do hard things. And the hard thing that you do next is like Bite your tongue when you want to scream at your kids, or you do the dishes, or you change the diaper when you don't want to suddenly you're a better dad and husband. It's yeah, it's ridiculous.

Drew Camp 13:54

And it's just the like I said, it's just the easiest one to tackle first, right is because you you have direct control over whether you do like go to the gym, or whether you go and do the push ups that you said you're gonna do, right? So where and a lot of other areas in life, like especially around provider, right is, you know, hey, if you're working for somebody else in nine to five, like you, yes, you might have some control over your income there, right, but a lot of that's outside your control, right? Like, you may get a pay bump once a year, you're not gonna see like immediate impacts from that, right, but, but you have direct control over whether, you know, you said I'm gonna set my alarm clock for 5am and go to the gym. Like it's between you and you of whether you've done that right? And so nobody's gonna know unless you're having an accountability partner or something. Nobody's gonna know if you hit that snooze button didn't go to the gym, but you're gonna know right and so I think it's just the easiest one to tackle because the more you do things you don't want to do. And the more that you do things that you promised yourself you would do, you're gonna start to build that that confidence muscle right and you're building that almost that trust with yourself that like, I know I'm gonna go and do the things that I set my mind to because that prove to myself that I can do it. And the easiest way to start doing that is within fitness.

Curt Storring 15:05

Yeah. And I was talking to my my friend Ryan king, he has been on the podcast before the wisdom of Kings on Instagram, I think it is. And he was talking about the importance of this, it leads to self respect, and self love and anything like that when you can look at yourself in the mirror and be like, Yeah, dude, like, good job. I know that I've got my own back, that leads to so much confidence and everything else. And it starts with not hitting the bloody snooze button. I call that like the snooze button trust trap for husbands especially, because you go hit that snooze button. You know, that now you can't trust yourself. But dude, your wife saw that too. Yeah, honey, you're gonna go to the gym, but she's like, he just hit the snooze button. Like, how am I gonna get him to? How do I trust him to manage our life if he can't even like manage his own leadership go to the gym. So it's got wide ranging consequences, not just like, oh, go get fit, dude. It's everything, I think. Yeah. And

Drew Camp 15:51

so Bedros cool, Ian, I'm sure you've heard a B. He's got I think it's like either six or seven rules for life. And one of them is how you do you know, everybody's heard this, right. But how you do anything is how you do everything, right. And so it's like, even on the smallest thing is like building that trust and respect with yourself. But he may think it's not a big deal, right? But like, it's sending a trigger to your mind and your subconscious, that I'm the type of person that doesn't follow through with what I say I'm going to do, right? And then the opposite is true as well, right? Of that, hey, if I do this consistently, and I do those little things that I don't want to do, but I promised myself I'm going to do I'm building up that, like you said, self respect with myself, that confidence that I'm going to do things that I set my mind out to you, because I proven to myself, that I'm just the type of person that does that. Right? So it's huge man.

Curt Storring 16:38

Yeah, I'm curious about like, the difference in what it feels like to run a company that you're actually legitimately excited about. Versus like just having an outdoor brand or hiking brand, or whatever it was. Because I think like, there's a lot of guys listening who are either entrepreneurs, executives ready to take the step. I know a lot of guys are like, on that. I think I need like what you said control over that area of my life. And I have just found like my business, I've been doing my own thing for like, 10 plus years now. It was always good and exciting. And like, you know, I had time and it was good. But only since I've been doing this work. This is the work that I would do, even if I didn't get paid for it. Because it's so close to my heart. And that's going to keep me in it when things get hard. And I've already seen that happening, like the compound interest that you gain from staying in the game is massive. So I'm curious if you felt that to where doesn't have to be like, Oh, my hobby, the thing that I love to do, but you're passionate or morally driven for it? Has that been a game changer?

Drew Camp 17:36

Yeah, for sure, man. So a little inside baseball, right? We've been in company for almost two years now. And I have not paid myself one cent from this right. And I'm still going pretty hard in the paint on it. And so that is a testament to itself that like, I would do this if I even if I didn't get paid because I'm not getting paid, right? So absolutely, I think if you're passionate about it, well, I'll just say this, like, anytime you start a business and start running a business, there's going to be challenges like that, it's beyond a shadow of a doubt, like you're gonna run into the hard things and be challenged and get to a point where, where if your heart is not in it, and you're not having that passion to move forward. You know, you might say, alright, screw it, I'm done. It's just not worth it. Right. But I think if you have that crystal clear vision, on, on who I want to impact and like what the actual mission of the company is, and then to you're extremely passionate about it, you're gonna find ways to get over those obstacles. You know, just because you've got that passion there. And so with the outdoor brand, again, like that's, that's why I shut it down. Right? It was I ran into an obstacle that was extremely large. And I said, you know, it's not worth it. Like, I don't even know who I'm serving right now. Like, you know, so it's not, it's not worth my time, my effort, my money to try to figure this out. Because one, I don't think anybody really sees any value in this brand, because I'm not inherently solving a problem for anyone. Right? And so with that, it's just very hard to be passionate about things if you're just chasing money. You know, and were we successful, like, yeah, in some capacity, we, you know, we made some money on it, right. But at the end of the day, those those obstacles got so large, and I wasn't passionate enough about it. I didn't feel like I was creating an impact. And so probably the right move was to exit that business. But, but yeah, if your heart's not in it, and you're not passionate about it, it's just gonna be a lot easier to say, Alright, I'm done once you hit those obstacles that are bound to come.

Curt Storring 19:23

Yeah, okay, that makes me feel like I'm actually on the right track. And I'm just kidding myself, because I'm like, Okay, I think this is like, way easier, because I'm just gonna keep doing it. Whereas before things that I've done for money, like when I'm looking at my spreadsheets, I'm like, I gotta get there and I've got the money, blah, blah, blah. But as soon as something doesn't feel good, I'm like, even if I don't act on it, my mind is going like, Oh, what about that shiny object over there? It just makes it easier to be like, Oh, dude, I am all in on changing the world by changing the lives of every single father. I teach, like, Yes, man, like I am so fired up about that, like, doesn't matter. I'll run through a wall. So I don't know maybe you guys need to hear that and just think about like, what their values are and where they can go from that. But I want to talk about how this ties into your story as a father, like, did you struggle with fitness? Did you struggle being a father? Were you always just like, you know, go get it? What was your dad story moving into this whole thing? Yeah, man.

Drew Camp 20:11

So my pops was incredible. So my parents, you know, had been married for gosh, I don't know, coming up on 50 years, I think. So. So incredible household, you know, had both mom and dad around, and they were amazing for me. So, you know, it's not kind of a sad story of, you know, I didn't have a dad growing up in there like that. Like, like, No, my mom, my boss was awesome. You know, but But with that, right, is, I think that my parents and parents before him grew up in it a totally different generation. You know, and I even had this conversation with my wife last night, actually, of just, you know, I don't, I don't remember. My, I have a vivid, like, memory of this with with my children, was just clipping their fingernails to like clippings, right, like my little daughters. And I always remember, I'm like, I don't think I ever remember. Or my dad did that. You know. And it's not like that, that he should have done that. At the time. I just think there's, there's different it's a different culture, right. It's like, his job was to go make the money and provide for the family. You know, that was that was kind of his role. Right? And I think like, as, as I've grown, and I've started to mature and had kids myself, I just realized that I want to be extremely involved in their life. Right? You know, I want to be the dad that, you know, is able to have those tough conversations with kids. And I think, yeah, when when, and I always say it this way, like when my, my daughters right now are six and four. And when they're, you know, 18. And in high school, and, you know, no, they shouldn't drink, but they they do anyway, at a at a party, I want to be the type of dad that, you know, they know, it's okay to call me and say, Dad, I need to ride as opposed to being scared, saying, I don't want to upset my dad, right, and then getting into car, you know, when somebody's drunk and driving home or driving home themselves and endangering themselves and the lives of others, like, I want them to know that their dad loves them enough, that he's gonna forgive them for that, right and wants to be there to support them. And so I think that's where I come at it from, is just wanting to be that type of father. And like I said, it's not that, you know, I had bad experiences with with my pops, or my parents, I didn't at all, I had a great childhood and super grateful for everything they've done. But I think I just like to do things a little bit different, I think, you know, and be that kind of that dad that has that that close relationship, you know, with my kids. And so that's kind of the genesis of it. And then I've got two daughters and a son, my son Murphy is eight months. And that's been a complete eye opener, a game changer of having a boy, which I always thought I'd have voice, right. And then first who are girls, and then I never thought I'd have a boy. And then make a joke that all infantry men. So I was in the army, all infantry men have nothing but girls. And so I thought that was going to be the case for me, but, but we tried again and had a boy. And that's been, I mean, it's so rewarding to have him and but it's totally different, right? I've been so used to raising little girls that would grow up into women. And now I've got to get used to original boys gonna grow up into a man. And so I've been doing a lot of learning and soul searching on that. Again, he's only eight months. So I'm not like teaching him a ton of lessons yet. But yeah, that's gonna be a different journey for me. And so I've started to do some research on that. And I think one book I just started reading is raising a modern day night.

Curt Storring 23:31

Dude, that is one of the best parenting books for boys that you could possibly read. Everyone needs to go and buy that right.

Drew Camp 23:36

I literally, I literally have read the introduction, and I'm just blown away already. Yeah, so and I'm like, holy shit. Like, I wish my dad would have done this for me. And again, because it's not like any fault of his own right. There's just different access to information and things like that. But I think they talk about in that book, it's just incredible. So far, I can't wait to finish it and start implementing some things. But they talk about, like three things that knights had, that I would love to incorporate into my son. And one is is ideals, right? Like the right value set, and making sure that's crystal clear if like, what are we leaving for right? And then two is a process. And so that's something that I never had as a sign. And I was like, Man, I wish that would happen to me, you know if like, I know where I'm at, right in the process of like becoming a man is. And a good a good example of this. And I thought about this when I was reading the intro of the book was, again, I was in the army. And for anybody listening that that was in the army, I went to basic training. There's a process, right? And so you start out and you're I forget, I forget the colors. It's something like you're in red, blue and gold or some there's different stages, right of like becoming a soldier. And so when you first show up your red phase, and like, you know, you're gonna get the shit smoked out of you, like every second of every day, right and do hard things. And then all of a sudden you graduate and you go to the next phase, and like they take it a little bit lighter on you and you start going into more complex things and like you're, you're one step closer to becoming a soldier And then you know, you have your third stage. And then finally you have a graduation ceremony of like, all right, like I made it, I'm now a soldier. And so I think I'd like to be very intentional about that with my son. Because when you think about it for women, you know, there's a, there's a very, like, visceral thing that they go through that indicates that like, Okay, I'm a woman now, you know. And when it comes to boys turn into men, there's not that and so I think we need to be very intentional about how do we build that process for our sons. Otherwise, they get to a point where they're, you know, 2526 and still don't really know like, what does it mean to be a man? Am I a man, you know, so I want to be very intentional about that with my son.

Curt Storring 25:40

Yeah, that's so good, man. I love that you're doing that. And I'm, Man, I'm really hopeful. My wife's pregnant right now. hopeful for a girl because we got three boys. Fine, no matter what, like, it's gonna be totally awesome. It's gonna be so exciting. But I'm just praying, man, I'm like, Girl, come on, like, because I know, I had my mind set on it for a little while, I started thinking about it. But the thing is, I started feeling about it. And as soon as I started feeling about it, my heart just melted. And I was like, oh, man, stop thinking, because if it's a boy, you're gonna be so disappointed. So I just like cap that off. So I'll have to trade tips for boys and girls. Because this year, so it's so different, I imagine. Yeah, little

Drew Camp 26:14

girls are amazing, man. They just melt your heart. And it's, it's a tough balance there too, with girls. Because, you know, you want to nurture them and love them and support them and just be all cuddly, but at the same time, like, a, they're gonna grow up, and Dad's not going to be there. You know. So, so part of that balance is, is making sure that they're strong, they're confident, they can have discernment, right to to make the right decisions, when you're not there. And so that's something that we're pretty big on in our house is, is making sure that they're independent. Right. And so we started just to kind of a, a little trick, and you probably do this with your sons, too, was about the time they were, I don't know, three and a half, four or so we instituted a rule that you're not allowed to complain about something without proposing a solution. You know, and so that's the rule at the camp household. You know, so like, about the time they were three and a half, and they'd say, I'm thirsty. That's great. Like that, was it? Yeah, exactly. You know, and so, over time, they figured out like, Okay, I'm old enough, I can grab my own cup, I can go get my own water, if I'm thirsty, right. And it's just, you know, it's little things like that, that I think, hopefully are gonna instill that discipline in them and that ability to care for themselves. And not that, like, I don't want to give them a glass of water, absolutely, I will. But for them to develop that, that skill set of being able to take care of themselves, right. And I think that's especially important for girls, you know, as they're gonna grow up into women. And then the other thing that we do with girls, too, is, it's really important. And if you do have a girl, I would highly recommend a book called strong daughters, strong fathers, by Meg Meeker. It just a complete eye opener for me. And it's really, you know, it's really about about discipline for girls as well. When you think about discipline, a lot of times you think about for your son, but but you need to be thinking about that for women, too. And for girls that are gonna turn into women. And so he's talking about discipline, and he's talking about also really like helping them define that, their their self respect. And like, where does that that try to get the right word and respect is not it? But I guess where do they find their value from right? And so I think if we don't teach them the right skill sets, what happens a lot of times in culture and society, is what's pushed down on women is they're gonna find that value from from external sources, right, from social media, from what other, you know, the boy in their high school is saying about them. And so I think we have to be very intentional with with girls to make sure that they are finding value in themselves, and not having to get that that value validated from from other outside sources that may be unhealthy, right. So that's another big thing that we try to do in our house is really build that value set.

Curt Storring 28:57

That's awesome, man. And that's one of those things that, like, I've always got questions about, because I don't talk about a lot. A lot of you guys have to have sons. Or we don't talk about like the nitty gritty of parenting quite so much, because it's more about. I mean, the show often talks about how you as a man can become a better dad, husband and father, but it's like it starts with you. But that's one of the things have you read? Was it called John Eldridge? Wild at Heart? Yeah, is it? Do you find that to be relatively accurate so far in what you're seeing in your girls? They want it they want it? The question, I think he says is like, am I loved? Am I worth it? Am I worth pursuing as a girl? Then? Where's the boys? Like, do I have what it takes?

Drew Camp 29:33

Yeah, yeah. 100%. So I think with my girls, you know, a lot of times they'll show me things and like little drawings or whatever. And so I think what they're really trying to do there is exactly that. It's like validate their worth and validate that they, you know, are valuable, and you have to be very important. We're very intentional about that too, as a dad because I think what you can do inadvertently is Again, try to you almost like, tell them that their own self worth is is based off of somebody else's opinion. And so it's a balance, right? Because as a dad, like she showed me her picture, of course, I want to say like, that's amazing. That's beautiful. But I also don't want her to value my opinion so much. Right. And so I think there's a balance there. I think, you know, what you have to say is like, hey, that, you know, what do you think about the picture? Right? Yes. Yeah. And just kind of little things like that, too. Because I think, again, I think every dad wants to be the best father he can be. And he wants to see his kids succeed. And sometimes we do things out of love, that that may be sending the wrong message, like overtime to our kids. And so it's really about the intentionality and like thinking through that, and it's, it's a challenge, man, I'm not saying I'm perfect, like we make mistakes every single day. You know, but just being as intentional as you can be.

Curt Storring 30:55

Yeah. And I think, part of me for me, like getting clear on my goals with the kids and not what I want them to be, but generally, who and how do I want them to be in the world, which is like, I know, they're going to be served well through resilience, and grit and respect, and hard work and all these kinds of things. How do you do that in a person and it's like, wait a second, if I want my kids to be, and Ken Curry was on the podcast a little while ago. So you guys might have listened to this already. By the time this comes out. He was like, the number one thing a dad can do beyond protecting and providing is building an identity of the self in the child. So the kid is internally referenced, not looking for external reference not going oh, what did they think about me what society thing. And so if you can be the voice in the kid's head going like, Oh, I'm good to be me. This is who I am. And then when you start to think about that, like you said, it changes the action, because you go, what does this lead to? If I act like this, then it will lead to potentially looking for validation all the time. And like you said, balance nuance, there's a ton of stuff to this, but knowing where you're going as a dad, same thing goes for husband and like a businessman, or just a man in general, if you don't have a vision, you're not gonna be able to get to that vision, you're just gonna have to like hope. And I don't know who you were like, fate is not who I want running my family ship. So yeah, I like to have a plan do you do as you you know, I'm gonna get into planning in a second, I have to go skiing, apparently, because we're on this. 5 million people have seen you destroy your children at a foot race. Let's talk about let's talk about that. Because that is the type of parenting that not only do we need more of, I think, in America, Canada, the West wherever we're at. But I think like society needs to be parented like that, because we're also weak. So can you talk about what I'm talking about? Guys? You can look it up on Instagram, I'll send a link inside the show notes. But please give us a quick rundown of what Yeah,

Drew Camp 32:39

for sure. So I'll preface this and say like, you never know what's gonna hit on social media, I guess. Like, this wasn't a planned event. It was literally like me and my wife were just hanging out one afternoon. And my kids said, Hey, Dad, I'm pretty sure I can destroy you in a foot race. And I was like, let's go, you know, so it wasn't like super, like strategize social media, or anything. But, um, but yeah, so exactly like that, right? My wife and I were just kind of hanging out, like, in the afternoon, and our kids were talking about the trash about, like, how fast they are, and how they're gonna beat me in a race. And, you know, I think I was just like, Alright, let's do it. You know, so and I think like, internally, like the thought process for me, it was like, Oh, this is a good opportunity to teach a couple of lessons here. Was was one like, and I said this on the Instagram post, be like, don't talk to you if you can't back it up. Right. So that's number one. But more importantly, is that you're gonna face challenges, and you're gonna fail right at life. And sometimes you're gonna get smoked. You know, and it's not gonna go the way you want. And so what I wanted to do, there was like, just teach them, you know, a little bit of having to go up against adversity, and, and being gracious and losing, but wanting to get better, right. And so, what happened was, yeah, we lined up and did some sprints, and I left them in the dust man, you know, and just no mercy just smoked the crap out of them and a foot race. And my four year old, like, immediately started bawling and crying, which is hilarious. And then my six year old came up and punch me because you said that, and there's lessons to be had in that too, right? And what you don't see in the video is like, the secondary lessons that I taught, I'm like, hey, when we lose, we're not going to hit people. You know, things like that, right? But but it was really about like, hey, you know, there's a world out there and there's a reality out there and it's gonna smack in the face sometimes. And you have to be okay with that. You're not always going to win, you know, and, and one, or secondly was to teach about the importance of winning that like, you're going to lose, but it's a great opportunity to find out okay, what did I do wrong? And where can I improve so that I can win next time? So that's what the video is about, man. And I got so much hate for that. I don't know. It's hilarious. Like you're gonna hate for that. Yeah, man. It's ridiculous. Like I guess you should just never go through the comments.

Curt Storring 34:59

Oh yeah, dude.

Drew Camp 35:02

That's a mistake right there. But I'd say probably about 70%. Or like, you know how Yeah, this is more of what the country needs and get parenting and all that stuff. And then only 30% are like snowflake, you know? You know, like, whatever

Curt Storring 35:15

man, people who need that most who need the lesson monster crying. Yeah,

Drew Camp 35:19

exactly. So, but it was fun. And you know, we do we try to do like those type of things all the time. We just kind of happen to catch this one on camera. And I think it resonated with a lot of people. So you know, we'll, we'll see about doing more that kind of stuff. But yeah, it was it was a lot of fun, man, it it kind of blew up and went crazy. All of a sudden.

Curt Storring 35:39

Yeah, what else are you doing like that? Or maybe just like, generally lessons you're teaching or even like, one of the questions I wrote down is like, let's just riff on why people are so weak, like, what is going on here, man, because like, I think I see some of the stuff you post, like, Yes, that. And yet, we're not allowed to talk about certain things like Dude, I've been shadow banned on Instagram for saying that real men should benchpress their wives and outrun their kids, like, actually very closely related. And I got shadow banned. And they said, when I was like, I went to go boost the post, to just confirm that it was this post that got me dinged, and it said, cannot boost this because there's insulting language. And it was like, what I was just calling out dad bods and weakness. Yeah. And that was insulting, allegedly. So what like, I don't know, man, where else are you seeing this? What else are you seeing? How are we keeping our kids insulated from this? Because it's terrifying. It's one of the reasons we homeschool. Now, this is the first year because like, I just, I want to protect them from evil, honestly. And it's evil not to go there and do your best and like, glorify, you know, God, or whoever you're trying to glorify, like, do their best. And we're just not. I don't know, man. There's a lot to talk about here. I'm sure but yeah, and you

Drew Camp 36:49

guys have a rough up there candidates, you man. Oh, my goodness. It's crazy. But I still haven't gotten shadow banned on Instagram. So I guess I'm just trying to hurt. Yeah, I'm not gonna. So but yeah, I mean, like, kind of go back to what we talked about. Right? Like, I think, you know, it's a very concerted effort, an intentional effort to weaken men. So I think like, like, one. A lot of times, it's not like your fault, right? Because if you're surrounding yourself by by that, and by media and social media, and things like that, and what the narrative is, then you feel like you're doing the right thing, right? Because you're being validated in that. And so that's part of it. And the two Yeah, but just on the weakness side, like, I think, you know, America is for its faults in Canada, too. Like, yeah, there's things that are that are wrong, but like, ultimately, this is a freaking amazing place to live. And we have it so comfortable. Right? Like, like, I was in the army, you know, got to go overseas to Afghanistan. And, you know, the living conditions that we had, were, let's just say their sub optimal. You know, pretty much no electricity, no running water. You know, our only food was Mr. Ease, you know, had to go like shit in a barrel and burn it, and, you know, live like that for months, right? And it gives you perspective, on like, how amazing we have it here in the West, you know, that like, Hey, I even like the poorest among us, typically, unless you're like homeless, you know, hey, I've got a bed to sleep in, I've got a roof over my head, and I know where my next meal was coming from. Like, those are amazing things. And we take that for granted. And so I think we've just gotten so freakin comfortable in this country, that that we have stopped, we just don't have any conflict. Right. And you and I kind of already talked about, like, on the physical side is like, that's how you're gonna find growth is by having that, that conflict by having those struggles and I think you have to intentionally place those in your life life now. Because they're not going to come naturally. Right? And so that's why fitness is so huge. That's why putting yourself in uncomfortable positions, like, you know, cold water therapy or whatever, is so important. Because if you're, if you're looking for struggles, you know, in normal everyday life, like, yeah, you may have some, but but it's not going to be consistent. It's not gonna be intentional. And so I think, I think that's why we've seen like, a lot of men be weak. It's just because they've, they've kind of bought in the narrative of like, I've, you know, I'm comfortable. I've got everything I need. And they're just not pushing themselves to have that conflict. And that's going to lead to being weak man.

Curt Storring 39:26

Yeah, that's well said, man. I really like what you said about like, intentionally finding the hardships because it is so comfortable with inertia with drift to be like, oh, yeah, this is my life. And I'm just like putting my head down. I'm just doing the thing. And suddenly you find yourself with a house and a mortgage and a car and like Netflix subscriptions and all this and you're not doing anything. And you just sort of like become a Wally character, where you just like press a button, you get your drink, you get your food, you never have to leave your home anymore. Yeah. And it's, it's sad, and it's not like I don't want to condemn anyone, but I hope it's convicting. I hope people wake up because you're wasting your life. And that's why I'm so like, sad about this kind of stuff is because the fathers are not leading the families. And the kids are not learning that they should do anything other than just be comfortable. And we're not meant to be comfortable. I don't think like, it's, it's nice to realize contentment, and peace. But in my life, every time I get comfortable, it's like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna get bored, and I take my eye off the ball and everything crashes and burns. And that sucks. And so I just, I think that I want to be the one to inflict the pain on my own life, rather than the external world, you're gonna have to pick it's either you do the hard thing, I think, and struggle and grow, or you get your ass kicked by life and go like, Oh, no, no, I'm a victim. So, are there any other things that you do to like, keep intentional, motivated, and like, do hardship?

Drew Camp 40:51

Yeah, so I'll say this one too. Like, I think, go back to be beta is one of one of his other rules is purpose over pleasure. I mean, he's like, rule number one, right? And I think it I'm, I'm the same way, right, like, if in probably to, almost to an extreme, and I find myself falling in, in you know, the pit here sometimes is that if I'm not having those challenges, and there's hard things like that I can look forward to and put intentionally my wife. And then secondly, if I don't feel like I have a very clear purpose, I'm kind of drifting, like I fall like, into, like, depression mode, right? for like months. And, you know, I find myself do that from time to time, and then I'll just kind of like, you know, hit a spot and be like, holy shit, man, like, what the fuck is going on? Sorry, can I use the F word on the show, sir, of course. And then, you know, and then it just all comes right back to me of like, okay, when was the last time that I did like an attentional cold bath? Then I'm like, oh, yeah, that was like, a month ago, you know? What am I okay? When was the last? Like, how many times have I hit the snooze button this month, right. And I'm like, alright, well, there it is right there too. And then I have to, like, tap back into my purpose, you know, in really like crystal clear on that if, like, my purpose, like, as a dad to lead my family and my purpose in my business as well. And so I think like, especially for me, if I don't have those two things dialed in, like, I'm gonna be in a bad spot, you know. So things that I do, and again, I'm not perfect, I make mistakes, but like, what's worked for me, you know, is going to the gym and working out and like scheduling that time. And then I tried to do cold water stuff as well. So I don't have like a super fancy like cold bath bike tub, like you see the cost like 10 grand. What I do is I got a pail from Home Depot. And it didn't work well during the summer, because you have to use like 800 bags of ice to get a cold. But in the winter, it's great. I can just put some, you know, put the spigot on put like one one thing ice in there. And it's down to like 45 degrees, and it feels super uncomfortable. But in the summer, I typically would do cold showers every day. And that's something that I would like hold myself to, but I got to do one for one minute. And that doesn't sound like it's terrible. But it sucks. Yeah, really bad. And I never want to do it. And I think that's that's like the important part is like, I don't want to do it, you know, but it's something that you can tell yourself every day that like, that's gonna be a challenge that I'm gonna put in my way that I don't want to do, but I'm still gonna do it. And it's gonna help help build that confidence and that trust in yourself that you're gonna do things that you say you're gonna do, you know, so those are easy ones, right? There is a if you want to get started, like a one minute cold shower, like do that. Do that every day for a week. And then tell me how you feel. You know, that's a great spot to start.

Curt Storring 43:33

Yep, awesome. Totally agreed on that one. And it's it sucks, man. It just never gets better either. I've been tracking myself and it's like, I watched, you know, a few seconds at the start. I was like, Okay, this sucks. I'm gonna die. And you get to like a minute, but like, after that, like, I don't know, dude, it just sucks every single time ever. Like the beauty of it. Yeah, you're

Drew Camp 43:52

never like, culturally, alright, I'm just good. I could be here for a little while, like, you know, the first 10 seconds are brutal, and it gets a little bit better. But it's still not fun. Like, I don't want to do it. But that's, I mean, that's a great way, right? If you're thinking about like, I'm super busy, I don't have time to work out, you know, every day or whatever, which I call bullshit on that too. But I was just gonna say, you know, but hey, if you're telling yourself that story, and you want to get started a great way is you know, write it down at night, right? Like, I will take a one minute Cold Shower tomorrow, and then stick that on a sticky note, you know, on your mirror, wherever you can see it, that's going to drive you to have the conviction to actually go do it. And then just continue to do that, right and do that for a week. And that's a great place to get started. And then on the fitness side, too. Like, dude, you got 30 minutes. All right, like, let's be honest, you know, let's do an audit of your phone. Like, hey, I'm your cell phone right now. And let me open up Yeah, your screen time, Zack, and then I'll tell you where you can go to work out, you know. So I think that that's that's a big misnomer as well. It's just the time aspect. And so again, it just comes down to intentionality on that, right? And so like, do I look at social media? Yeah, I do. Right? And I'm not the best app. added, I still struggle for me, I'll get sometimes locked in like a time suck thing, and I'll look up and I'm like, holy shit. I've been looking at like car videos for an hour. Yeah, it happens, right. But I think more often than not, I tried to be pretty intentional about it. It's like, alright, you know, I'm going to set the timer for 10 minutes and go do something on social instead of down, right? And so I think, Hey, if you say you don't have time, like, just do an audit on your time. Like, where are you actually spending your time and work you carve out 30 minutes to go do something physical, that's gonna have a huge impact on your life.

Curt Storring 45:32

Yep. Excellent point. And speaking of purpose, this is one of those things it's like, as I'm going through and creating this new program that takes like everything we've been doing over the last couple of years in this this space, and condensing it down. Well, actually, like 10 years of my own life, but condensing it down purpose, as vision, or like, I call it a leadership and a legacy framework is so bloody important. And I'm actually like, I just felt self motivated for so many, so much of the time, like, I have to be excellent, I have to be the best at what I do. That's, you know, it just leads into a naturally Well, what does that look like vision. But I know, from the men that I work with, a lot of times are like, I don't know, man, like even the successful guys who have made it so to speak, end up going like, well, I'm kind of bored, because I don't have anything to do anymore. Because even if money is your thing, when you reach that level, the guys are like, well, now what? Yeah, do you have thoughts on like, how you developed a purpose, how you dial into that vision? Or even like how guys can start to create that, especially for the guys who are kind of like, nice, guys. I don't know what I want. I'll just go along with the ride.

Drew Camp 46:40

Yeah, yeah, for sure, man. So we have an approach it TEDCO. And we've got a goal planner on this, if you guys want to check it out, that's fine. If you want to buy one, that's fine. If you if you just want to use the philosophy, that's fine. But you know, you don't have to have a gold player, you just write it down in a notebook. But what we do is we, we basically help guys write out like their life statement, which is like, hey, you know, at the end of the day, like, what is what is important to me, right? And then what we do is we kind of walk through the process of asking the question, why, like several times to really get to the root of it, right? And so, you know, I think that's a good start is just questioning why and really getting raw about why you think those things are important to you. And I think that's gonna lead to some answers that maybe you didn't think were there about, like, what is actually important to you. And then what we do there is we try to do after that as we break out everything into four segments. And we do body relationships, mind and financials are the four buckets, and we try to categorize everything under that. And then what we'll do is we'll set very, very long term, like goals in those categories. You know, not not like very short, like year long, but think, like 1020 years in the future, like, what do I want my life to look like? And why is that important to me. And we'll have guys jotted down in each of those four categories. And then once we do, once we have that, then we'll break those down into much smaller increments of like 90 Day sprint goals. And then that way, really, what it does is it helps you align what you're currently working on to what you ultimately want, I think where guys get into trouble is, you know, they have like a short term thing, right? It's like, hey, I want to go, you know, make a bunch of money or whatever. And like, they do it, and they achieve it. And then they're like, alright, what next? And the reason why is because they never defined like, Why do they want to make that money? Right? Like, is it? Is it to provide financial freedom for your family? You know, is it because you know, it's really materialistic, and I want to buy a car, or whatever? Like, they don't know, like, what is the purpose behind what I'm doing? You know, and so I think that's huge is just really getting like super clear on like, instate vision of like, what is my life going to look like? And why is that important? And then what steps can I take to help get there? So it's a little bit off topic from it yet, but I hope that's, yeah, valuable.

Curt Storring 49:04

No, that's perfect. Man. That's exactly it. Like, there's I've talked to a number of people who have slightly different methods of this, but they'll come back to sort of like, what and why, over and over and over again, and I just know that like, it's super useful to hear it from multiple perspectives, for whatever reason, it's kind of like our kids, right? Like, I could tell my kids one thing, but then like, my friend who's not their dad will tell them something the exact same thing. It'll be like, Oh, wow, it's the smartest thing I've ever heard. I love that. Because like a it confirms what listeners have been hearing over the last number of weeks, which is like, here's how you do this. Get your vision, sort of get your purpose, get this on paper, so that you're now committed to it. Have you? I'm actually I'm curious about this coming from the army and doing sort of work in the dad's space now. What has brotherhood been like in your life? Because that's another component of like, my philosophy of life, is I only started getting better when I was around other men. Yeah, like I've never been In the military, anything like that, but I understand there's a lot of that obviously, has that transition into sort of like more civilian life, has that been a thing you do as a dad? What is brotherhood look like? Or what could you use from the army even to bring into your life now? Like, any any thoughts on that?

Drew Camp 50:16

Yeah, so I think anybody that's been in the army and has gotten out in transition, I can probably say, it's night and day, right to what you had, while you were in service, and then what you have in civilian life. So that there, especially guys that have been, like, you know, overseas and deployed and like been in combat that there is like, no greater bond, I think that you could have with other other guys and women, and then what you had, like during that experience, and then once you get out, there's just there's nothing like that on the civilian side, you know, because, hey, you're not like going to war together or whatever, right. And so I think what you have to do is like, manufacture that a little bit on the civilian side. And it's something that I'm still struggling with, and trying to, you know, find the best solve for it. And I think, really, on the civilian side, like I said, you have to manufacture it and like, find your tribe and make sure that you guys are putting yourself through challenges together. And like the wringer together to build that bond, because you're never gonna have like that level of connection with someone, if you just like go to work with him and have a beer, right? Like, that's very surface level. And so I think, but once you guys go through difficult things together, then you create that bond, you know, and so, you see all these kind of like, you know, like, what's it called the modern day night program, you know, and kind of all these like challenges that bring guys together, and then they form that bond. And so I think, I think we can do that as men. And we probably should do a much better job of that, like, in our own communities. And it doesn't have to be some some huge, massive thing, but but even just like, hey, let's get a group of guys together from the neighborhood. And let's do workouts together. Or, you know, let's go on our overnight hike that's challenging together or something like that, right? And put yourself through these kinds of physical, especially men, put yourself through these, like physical challenges that are going to help create that bond, because you're not going to create that brotherhood unless you're going through struggles together.

Curt Storring 52:13

Yeah, yeah, that's, that's one of those pieces that I have experienced. And it's almost been, like you said, manufactured, there is something to say about like, emotional battles that actually can drop men into things like super deep as well. And again, like absolutely nowhere near like, Hey, dude, I'm literally putting my life in your hands. I can't even imagine that. But there are ways like you said, with like, crucible, so to speak. My buddy Jonathan Rios with primal virtues, runs, like a weekend retreat like this, which is amazing. Like, I want to do more things like that. But even if in your local neighborhood, like do a workout is a great idea. Get some dads and go like a workout every morning. And then ask them good questions. You just sweat together. You just done some hard together. It's like, Hey, man, like, what are you struggling with right now? How's your marriage? Like? What could you use my help on? Where are you looking for support right now? It's like, oh, I didn't know where you're allowed to do that. And yeah, are the one leading.

Drew Camp 53:09

This isn't like the corporate office where we just say everything's good.

Curt Storring 53:12

Yeah, exactly. Good. Well known you're not actually good, what's going wrong with your life? And, and leading through that process? Like everyone wants that? I think I think we're like, honestly made to have relational connection, especially with men. And so if you're the one to invite that, at least I found if you just like, are the first guy be like, oh, yeah, here's where I suck. Have you guys ever been here? They're like, Oh, what? Yeah,

Drew Camp 53:34

this guy wants to talk about real things. Yeah.

Curt Storring 53:37

And the guys like want that once they get used to it a little bit once they get comfortable, but it takes leadership. So maybe that's a call for anyone in the audience listening to just like, be the one to go deeper first. Anyway, dude, I want to be respectful of your time. Either last thoughts, if there's anything it's like, Oh, I really need to say this or work. We find you where can we get jacked up on TEDCO? Products? Everything else you want to tell us?

Drew Camp 53:58

For sure, man? Well, first of all, thanks for having me on. Awesome, awesome conversation. Hopefully, you guys are able to get some some value from from the conversation. I'll let you know where you can find more about me and the company. And then yeah, last thoughts. So just on Instagram is where we're most active. It's just the epic dad go. And then the epic dad.com If you guys want to hit me up, that's the best place just shoot me a DM I'll answer every single one. And again, like our goal is, is not to sell you a bunch of supplements, like we're going to be very, very different than than pretty much any supplement company that's out there. In that, like, we have a mission to help you like as a dad, and what that looks like, you know what we're here like for the ride and to help you like whatever that looks like for you. So yeah, last thoughts is really just, you know, again, at like looking at the past, you know, 40 to 50 years. Yeah, the degrading culture. I think it can really be brought back to just a lack of leadership and fathers and like that, when you know a lot of politicians want to put band aids on I'm on problems, right. And when we look at, like the homeless problem look at like poverty, we look at, you know, any type of problem, if you just peel back some of the layers and take a look at root cause, it all comes back to the effective fathers. And I'll just read a couple of stats here because I happen to have up just a really hit the point home, so there they are. So yes, 63% of youth suicides come from fatherless homes. 90% of homeless and runaway children come from fatherless homes. 85% of children who show behavior disorders come from fatherless homes, and 71% of high school dropouts come from fatherless homes. So you just think about the downstream effects of that, right? And like, how is that going to play out in culture, and it's not great. And we've seen, we've seen what the effects are, you know, over the past 4050 years or so, to really turn the tide, if you want to change the culture, like we've got to change and become more effective leaders as fathers. And we've got to do that in our own homes. That's where it starts, right? It starts with the individual dad himself. And then again, that's going to have ripple effects throughout, you know, generational history, right? Like, if I raise my kids in a certain way, they're gonna raise their kids in a certain way, they're gonna raise their kids in a certain way. And that's gonna help change the culture over time. And then, you know, if you, as an individual dad start to make some changes in your life and better yourself and become more effective at home, like other men are going to notice, as well, they're gonna ask you, What the heck are you doing? And that's going to have an impact on your community that's going to span out, you know, broadly as well, too, right? So, I think, you know, if anybody's political here, and they're like, oh, man, and you know, our culture is just shot to shit, you know, and we need somebody to come in and fix everything. Like, do that's not going to happen, man, like, no matter who we elect in the country, you know, in the US, like, no, no single person is gonna solve your problem, like, you're gonna solve your own problems, you know, so I think that would be the last thought is just like, and that's something I struggle with, too. It's just like, I want to have a better country, you know, for my kids. But, you know, it's not gonna be a politician that fixes it. Like, it's gonna be me, you know. So I would, I would just make sure that you guys as dads are thinking through that, and make sure that you're, you're implementing these things in your own individual life. That's gonna have an immediate impact on your kids. And then, and then over time, that's probably going to help change the culture. Like, that's how we fix it.

Curt Storring 57:25

Man perfectly said, That is so good and so convicting. And, yeah, nobody's gonna save you save you guys. You don't like you become a victim? As soon as you go, like, oh, no, my politician didn't have this and that and like, you stole the election, like, I get it. I'm not saying that's untrue. I'm just saying, like what you said, You are the only one who is responsible for the life you live. And if you are complicit in the conditions you don't want in your life, then do something about them. And man, those statistics if you are at home, but you act as though you're not because you're on your phone all the time, you're angry at your family all the time. Those statistics probably mirror very similarly shitty dads. Yeah. You know, like, that's, that's the part that I think a lot of guys miss. And that's what motivated me to do the work that I didn't change, because I could see my kids were young, and I could see they were going down paths that if I kept treating them like this, they were screwed. And I was like, oh, man, that'd be my fault. And so therefore, it's now my responsibility to fix. Men. I'm fired up after this. Thank you, dude. I'm looking forward to staying connected. I'm looking forward to getting guys in your orbit. Go to Dad.Work slash podcast to find all the show notes. Everything we mentioned here. And yeah, go get some TEDCO I think I might need to try some as well. So, Canada, we will figure that out.

Drew Camp 58:41

We'll get your words out, man. We'll figure it out. That's all right, Kurt. Thanks for having me on,

Curt Storring 58:44

man. All right. Peace, man. Thank you for listening to the dad work podcast. That's it for this episode. But if you would like to stay in touch between weekly episodes, why don't you go over to Instagram and follow me there because I drop a number of things throughout the week that are related to what we talked about on this podcast, but usually go a little bit deeper, provide some tips you can find me on Instagram at dad work dot Kurt. That's da di W O RK dot c u RT. And please, if you have been getting something out of this podcast, if it has touched you if it has improved your marriage, or parenting or your life, would you please leave a quick review on Apple or Spotify. leave a rating. If you have a few extra seconds, leave a quick review. That's the best way that we can get this work in the hands of more fathers. And I truly believe that we change the world, one father at a time, because each father that parents better that loves better raises children who do the same. And in just a couple of generations. I feel like we could be living in a world much better than the one we live in today. Your review will help along that path. And I thank you so much for being here to listen until next week. We'll see you then.

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